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Both of my parents were brought up in two parent families and both sets of my grandparents remained married until death.  When one of them died they remained unmarried and as far as I know didn’t have any special “friends”.

My parents divorced when I was 12.

Things are better now and it will be ok.

I wonder how moms and dads can say that to their children with a straight face when they tell them that the family is splitting up.

Men and women who do not come from a broken family have no frame of reference of the pain that children feel.  Furthermore the attitude that a child will be ok is just plain arrogant.  I will say that the pain for a child is 1000 times worse than it is for the parents, who can replace their spouse with another.  Kids cannot replace their moms and dads that way.

For the parents that come from broken homes, they should just know better.

Things were not ok.

 

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Denying that marriage has moral meaning is the new virtue. – Dalrock

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One Way Media

The Gamer Slut saga exposes several real issues affecting our society especially concerning how men are generally perceived by the modern woman.  America’s youth has been sufficiency corrupted by the media’s one sided attack on positive masculinity. The majority of America’s young women have so many conflicting ideals about true femininity that they are literally unable to sustain a positive relationship that involves trust, respect and love. The media has for years portrayed all men as either blundering fools needing women’s leadership or as outright brutal rapist’s.

Two video bloggers Jordan Owen and David Aurini are working on a project called The Sarkeesian Effect.  It seems like a good project and I am interested to see how this video will affect the narrative about internet and media censorship.  Check it out.  The link on Patreon is HERE.

We know where that cancerous message comes from.  It is important for both men and women to speak out against these promoters of hate and misandry.  Only by speaking out and educating our youngest generation can we possible have a chance at saving our once beloved republic.

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Once we finally open our eyes via swallowing the red pill, we begin to seriously take notice of the various gyno-centric propaganda we are inundated with on a daily basis.  This occurs in most mainstream movies and television shows.  It is not too often that science fiction movies make such a sickening display of the hypocrisy of feminism and the meme of the Strong Independent Woman™.

I finally got a chance to sit down and watch the movie Gravity.  I would normally not wait so long to see a Sci-Fi movie that I think has a lot of potential.  The visuals were absolutely beautiful but that was about the only thing the movie had going for it.  The story line was interesting in the fact that there was a lot of spacecraft blowing up, but it was very disappointing in every other aspect.

It was hard to not notice the dichotomy between the stars of the movie.  You have Sandra Bullock, who in many films portrays the typical strong willed and oft unpleasant career women such as is The Proposal.  That movie was the typical rom-com where the strong female lead is finally reined in by the psedo alpha Hollywood loves to portray.  The male lead is played by George Clooney.  He is the alpha who bangs various younger women in real life, he also plays the alpha role well on the big screen.

In Gravity the movie starts off with a spacewalk where Clooney and Bullock are astronauts repairing a satellite when disaster strikes and a debris cloud destroy the shuttle killing everyone in the crew except them.  Clooney plays the experienced astronaut and Bullock plays the novice mission specialist working in space for the first time.  Right after the disaster it’s a never ending drama of Bullock being only a few seconds from death.  Clooney plays it cool as Clooney does.  Bullock seems to always be in a state of a panic attack as she makes mistakes and bad decisions.  Clooney on the other and always had answers and solutions to every problem and always seemed calmed.  His amused mastery of the situation was quite noticeable.  In the middle of the movie Clooney makes a decision where he cuts himself loose from the tether holding them together and drifts off into space to die.  It was at that moment that I realized that had Bullock been a man, he would have taken more responsibility for his own and Clooney’s survival and they both would have likely survived.  As it was, Bullock was a hindrance to Clooney’s survival and her actions directly contributed to his eventual death.  It was ironic that she had given up and was faced with a lonely death in the cold vacuum of space after a string of mistakes and glaring examples of her incompetence that she had a vision of Clooney who gave her advice that she was (admittedly) unable to figure out herself that helped saved her life.  The sub context of the exchanges between Clooney and Bullock showed that she failed to master some basic skills needed by all astronauts, such as landing the spacecraft on earth without crashing.

This movie made me think of how women react in emergency situations.  I have seen plenty of emergencies materialize in front of me and participated in assisting in not a few of them.   My ex used to say that I was the perfect person to have around when shit was hitting the fan.  I attribute a lot of that to my military training.  It was common to see that women would lose their minds or just freeze up in life and death situations.  That was the rule.  The exception was a woman being proactive in hers and her companion’s survival.

As with all things about the American female, this movie shows the common underlying theme that without a man to assist her, the average woman would simply not survive.  Men are often forced into this role of protector against our will and when we refuse we are shamed to high heaven.  Woman will use state thugs, divorce court and the church to force us provide for women we derive no benefit from.  Even though women need men they, and society at large, still considers us mostly disposable to be left to just drift off into oblivion.

Lastly, I am not disparaging female astronauts.  Sally Ride, who is probably the most famous of all of them, was a true asset to the astronaut core and from what I have read was extremely proficient at her profession.  She is a woman to be proud of.

 

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Just saying.

Maddy 078

A fun and yet informative article on why sex everyday is very good indeed for marriages.  I would suspect this same attitude would benefit any LTR as well.  It comes on the heels of The Spreadsheet Couples troubles which would not have occurred if the woman followed Meg Conley’s advice. I have to agree with much of what this writer said and would think that her marriage, like others where the wife has a healthy attitude about sex, are likely very happy not only in their marriages but in life as well.  Of course I am a man and when my lovers approach sex like this it does make the relationship oh so much better.

The most important thing I noticed is that in the comment section you can see the truth about our society’s general attitude about sex and specifically sex in marriage.  Our society’s women by an overwhelming majority had devolved its notions of human sexuality.  I expected to read that no man should ever expect sex and how being a mother is somehow so degrading and unempowering.  Well what the fuck is modern marriage for then?  I was of course not disappointed.  No wonder our birth rates are so low and our divorce rates are so high.  Why would a man want to reproduce with such a creature that is the modern empowered woman?  Unfortunately the plugged men in often do.  The comment section essentially became a tirade by these feminists and the dutiful white knights supporting them.  It’s fun to look at these men’s profiles and see that they are fat bastards with peculiar hobbies.  I will briefly mention that if white knights would stop reproducing already or just take the red pill it would go a long way to finally killing off feminism.  However it is only when we put controls back on women’s hypergamy will we see improvements.  Unfortunately it will require the help of the AFC’s and white knights to accomplish this.

The feminists completely freaked out over one statement the author made that being a mother is “one of the ultimate expressions of womanhood”.  That statement is actually highly accurate and I would think that being a mother IS the ultimate expression of womanhood.  The feminists and the white knights, who outnumber the rational folks by a very uncomfortable margin as they always seem to do, go on and on about how it is not right and somehow immoral to see women as having children and God forbid, want to have sex and desire to please their husbands, as the normal beautiful thing it is. When you see a woman who has a positive and healthy attitude about sex, you see her man as also happy and wanting to give her happiness and pleasure.  It’s a self feeding circle of marital bliss.  Several of these women also criticized the author’s over simplification of men’s basic needs, where she said that if we are well fed and well fucked, men are usually pretty happy.  I think many of these types of comments were made by women who simply didn’t want to have sex with their husbands.  I don’t think I can disagree with that statement because nothing says I love you to a man like an awesome sammich before or after some really good sex.

What is ironic is that the women who could not have children for whatever reason really fly off the handle.  Many comments open discuss this.  These women have finally realized that that they cannot have it all as they face the wall and spinsterhood.  Some will snag their beta, but as the words used in the comments, many remain unmarried.  I sense a lot of guilt and regret in those comments, but solipsism and the feminine imperative keeps them from acknowledging their own responsibility for their very own failures.  Many of these commentators then make claims that defy nature and biology.  What these women fail to realize is that their attitudes are hurting their own happiness.  When there is relational equality, there is bad sex and unhappy partners.  You can almost see the bitter tears through the comments.  What the comments from the women boiled down to was that they had all sorts of insecurities about not being attracted to, and attractive to their husbands, being infertile, not being able to orgasm and of course the whole working mother thing and all of its related stresses.  The ideology that these women so believe in is the very same belief system that is the source of all of their unhappiness.

Another issue I want to take to task is that you have many women’s comments speak of how hard it is to work and be a mother and wife.  It is easy to see that all of the working mothers really hate on the SAHM.  Maybe if they reduced their expenditures and did things more traditionally like, oh the woman stays at home and raises the children and takes care of her husband.  It is really out there to think like that, I know.  Modern women will have nothing to do with this notion because raising a family and keeping your man happy is degrading and goes against the branding of the Strong and Independent Woman™.

It has been shown over and over again, and this article just proves it yet again, that the typical modern woman hates everything about masculine sexuality.  That is the medium of the message that you will read in every article from the one above to this one where essentially the same things are discussed.

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Ironically I found the above picture from a magazine article from the 1960’s on the same feminist’s blog.  These women there also criticize the wisdom of the advice given and even go so far as to claim that those values never really existed.  It when I read women talk about these issues I again am reminded that Feminism really is a mental disorder.

The commentators overwhelmingly bash on the one red pill guy who just happens to agree with me, yet he and his ardent supporters of rational thinkers were greatly outnumbered.  As I stated yesterday to a white knight defending feminine imperative:

It could be he was trying to gain their approval in an effort to test the waters because he thinks spanking might be a good idea (unlikely), or he was entering into their frame as a white knight so that he could show these women how great and special he is because he not like that sadistic monkey over at The Reinvention of Man who like to spank his lovers asses red and then have wild sex with them (likely)

Or as Rollo puts it:

“What interested me most about this ‘discussion’ wasn’t just the intensity of the responses, but also how quickly and comfortably the Plugins were in their need to set the “troglodytes” straight. You see, in our disconnected lives it’s much more difficult to express our ideology without real-time social repercussions. We can get fired from a job, kicked out of our social circle, excommunicated from church or not be asked back to the lady’s bridge club when we venture a disenting perspective on a great many topics.”

Essentially the majority of the comments by women call childbearing unnatural, degrading, and unnecessary.  I wonder what how they would react if their mothers though of them as disgusting little parasites, as some of these women called little babies.  Apparently these women failed their biology and sex-ed classes.

One woman tried to enter some logic into the exchange and actually gets close to seeing it.

Cameron Mcmahan , I feel sorry for you…Advice for future…When you are a guy, you cannot make any comment which can in the farthest sense be considered anti-feminist…No matter how valid it is….

I think that the point Mr. Cameron Mcmahan is trying to make is that every species has the main target to survive. There have been many scientific researches about it and have been extrapolated to human species…Why are peacocks beautiful?? Why does lion have a mane?? Why in every species the male is given the extra plumes to impress females?? That is nature’s law…. If you believe that human species is different then that is your opinion and it is equally valid whether me or Mr. Cameron Mcmahan agree with it or not.

Fertile or Infertile, the pleasure of holding , developing and if possible creating a life and a baby IS unbeatable…I have never felt as invincible as on the day the doctor held those tiny feet and told me that you are a mom now…I have friends who have adopted children and they felt the same way when they held their baby for the first time…

I don’t believe that both genders should be treated equal … because they are not “comparable”… I do not believe that creating a good marriage and having children is anyway demeaning…I, for one, am proud to have that role… And yeah, I have been a working woman for a pretty long time and DID give it up entirely by choice and to all the feminists, there is nothing bad about it…

If you do not wish to have children or cannot have children, its ok…you dont have to defend it…you do not need to prove anything to anyone…The fact that you are defending it just goes to show that you have some doubts about your decisions…

So this begs two questions. Is childbearing one of the ultimate expressions of womanhood, or is it THE ultimate expression?  And, would marriages be better if the wife was more giving in sex as an expression of her commitment, love and respect for her husband?

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The most fascinating thing about writing is not only the research involved in composing many of my essays and articles, but it’s the emails and the comments I receive.  I have to say that between commenting forthrightly on other articles from other writers and then writing my own articles, I do oftentimes stir up some strong emotions and opinions in others when I debate them.  I suppose because I am in fact very passionate in real life I am just as passionate in my writing.  My essay on spanking your woman apparently riled up one commenter to such a degree that he shared my work with several women, who must be his friends, in order to get their “opinion” about what I wrote and in turn wrote an interesting comment whereas this essay is my response.

To begin with I think he was seeking the approval of these women more so than anything.  I say this because he received what I believe to be disingenuous responses from them based on the context and what he didn’t say in his comment.  A woman will always respond to a question in a way as to benefit them the most.  The truthfulness of their answer is contextual and is therefore oftentimes subjective.  It could be he was trying to gain their approval in an effort to test the waters because he thinks spanking might be a good idea (unlikely), or he was entering into their frame as a white knight so that he could show these women how great and special he is because he not like that sadistic monkey over at The Reinvention of Man who like to spank his lovers asses red and then have wild sex with them (likely).  The following excerpt from his comment really illuminates the frame the commentator is coming from:

“And I know for a bloody fact that many of them would rather chew off their own arm than be stuck in a relationship that you have described in your blog. I know because I asked them.”

It would have been more useful for the class if he had tried spanking one or two of these women first and then wrote about how his experience was either positive or negative rather than trying to protect the illusion that most women are virtuous.  I suspect he had never spanked or tied a woman up during erotic play.  It’s a pity too.  I also suspect he has many other inaccurate preconceived notions about human sexuality in general.

The questions he should have asked himself is what would happen if I just spanked her when my woman did something I felt was disagreeable?  This goes to the issue of initiating sex versus asking for it.  Asking a woman, “can I spank you” completely misses the point of the exercise and many women will probably flatly respond with a “no”.  They are not saying no because they don’t want to be spanked, they are saying “no” because they do not want a spanking from, you a weak supplicating man in their eyes.  I know this is harsh but the truth is often that way.  This comes full circle back to having the proper frame in order to not only spank a woman, but having her want you to do it, enjoy you doing it and of course having the activity (spanking in this case) bring about positive behavior and reactions such as real respect for her man and of course more intense sexual stimulation.  The key lesson here is that a woman who respects you and admires you will more often than not, want to have sex with you, and she will WANT to please you.

Most plugged in and beta’s are quick to criticize unplugged men’s behaviors and what we write about without first really considering the real issues or the evolutionary biology behind our various essays.  I’m not criticizing anyone because I also had a hard time digesting these ideas when I first began reading the articles and essays I found in the manosphere.  For men who truly want to learn I suggest doing just that.  The links I include in my essays will lead readers to far more detailed information than what is contained in this work.  Continuing, these men will think like this for any number of reasons, two most common of which I will note here.  The first reason is based on a sense of white knightery and of course a skewed sense of chivalry which in our modern society is quite outdated.  The second reason these men criticize works such as this are playing beta game in their attempt to garner a positive response in women they either want to bang or in an attempt to gain a favorable reaction from their wives or girlfriends so they can get that atta-boy and recognition and maybe a little tepid sexy time.

Before we continue let us look at the subject of premises.  I wanted to bring this up because of the 2nd sentence of L’s comment which stated that he has never met a woman who enjoyed being patronized.  I can only surmise by the rest of his comment that he equates spanking and male leadership to patronization of a woman.  He is wrong on that issue as we will see throughout this essay, but the key issue to address is his premise, faulty as it may be.  The truth is that he likely never initiated spanking a woman as it related to his woman’s disagreeable behavior.  I believe that had he at least tried to spank a woman he would have mentioned it and described whether her reaction was positive or negative.  The issue of premise addresses a large portion of his comment and how he tried to create a straw man argument against the idea stating that out of billions of women only a few would like spanking.  The important thing he needs to realize is that he is wrong thinking women are all that different from one another.  Women may like different kinds of food, but all of them like to eat.  Women will also act a certain way most of the time and react to certain stimuli on a primal level also most of the time, given the right circumstances and conditions.  Most men do not understand or appreciate this and refuse to open their minds up enough to learn about it.  I see this when men get angry at their girlfriends who fool around.  They cannot grasp the innate desires a woman often exhibits. A good start would be reading Rollo’s essay that I linked to at the beginning of this section and all of his other essays.  Rollo is probably one of my favorite writers because he addresses many of the foundational truths of evo-psycology and gender dynamics.  That is probably why I link to his essays quite a bit.

I have noticed that when plugged in men are confronted by something they either have no experience with or understand as it pertains to human sexuality or gender dynamics, they immediately seem to ask women what their opinion is about this or that.  We see this with dating advice from woman for men. They fail to realize that women will say one thing and mean something else entirely.  Another such example is as it pertains to spanking directly. This is when a woman says she wants a nice guy.  Any unplugged man knows for a fact that the overwhelming majority of women deplore “nice guys”.  Plugged in men still think maybe his love object will love him if he is nice enough to her and does enough things for her but he soon finds himself with blue balls and dealing with a LJBF rejection while she is getting fucked every which way by the alpha bad boy rockstardrummer asshole.  I want to clarify before we continue that I don’t think women want to be abused with daily beatings, nor am I encouraging that sort of behavior.  I also do not think that a woman would like her man calling her a worthless dirty slut every day either (outside of the bedroom at least).  However most women will certainly not respect and definitely not give the best of herself to the typical nice guy or AFC.  Many women who have already hit or who are approaching The Wall do in fact seek out and find beta victims nice guys to marry them, but those men are considered 2nd or even 3rd tier after she has had all of her fun during her younger most fertile years with all of the hot alphas.

He mentions the woman who was amused by the spanking essay.  She was probably being the most honest of them all.  The fact that these women know the particular name of the protagonist in 50 Shades of Grey suggests they have read the book, which is nothing more than the female preferred form of porn.  I would think that many women who enjoyed that book would also enjoy some spankings from the right man.  He mentions BDSM and its kinkery and how it does not relate to somehow patronizing a woman by spanking her.  I am not sure what his point was, however for many of the individuals who do enjoy a BDSM lifestyle, that is a big part of their life.  Some may live a DDlg lifestyle while some are more into other facets such as the woman being collared and owned, and some others like the dungeon work like in 50SoG.  However many couples do play rope games and engage in soft BDSM, but even all of that is beside the point.  The point is only a white knight or beta chump would consider a man being the head of his household and exercising his headship however necessary to ensure the members of his family are happy and that the household in general is content and peaceful would call disciplining someone, even an adult, “patronizing”.  Nor are spankings considered kinky or BDSM as used in the context I suggested.  When I was in the Marine’s I was disciplined plenty and it was done to ensure the efficient operation of our combat unit.  Because I cannot make my woman dig fighting holes in the yard, a quick spanking is a good alternative that yields many more positive results such as not having a hole in my yard that at some point will need to be refilled.

Society used to have controls on women’s Hypergamic natures, such as slut shaming, marriage 1.0 and teaching male headship.  This was when society, and especially families and marriages were not only gentler in many respects but overall happier and more content.  In our modern society sometimes we need to reintroduce old concepts that once worked so very well.  Amazingly enough as many eventually find out, these concepts really did work as shown in the video in the previous essay, where John Wayne verbally chastises a woman but then spanks her over his knee to reinforce what he said.  The scene ended with him kissing her.  She initially half heartedly resisted but then kissed him back with passion.

Now, I hope this guy read through and thinks about this essay and reads all of the accompanying links.  I hope he does not get to something he does not agree with and stops reading, which is very common.  The men who do that normally end up responding in the typical blue pill fashion by calling aware red pill men misogynists and claim that we have some all sorts of psychological issues, such as he stated that I did in his first comment to my essay.  We in the sphere and unplugged men alike are often called names, shamed and told we are immoral for the mere act of observing and writing about our observations and life experiences and how certain modern day social ideologies affect us in our day to day lives and the lives of other men.  For some reason anyone who does not ascribe to pro-feminine beliefs is somehow labeled a misogynists who hates women.  The real reason these men get upset is that these foundational truths and observations conflict with their feminine conditioning.

My practical advice for living a full eventful life is, “It is better to ask for forgiveness than it is permission”.  This pertains to relationships, sex, and business.  I realized long ago that most men don’t have the guts and instead of doing, they criticize those of us who “do” and try to pull us back in the barrel.  As for the woman who was allegedly disgusted, maybe she was, but I can almost guarantee that not only was she also intrigued by the idea of being spanked by the right man, once she thought about it a little their panties were gooey as a result of the tingles she felt.

I do want to quickly address a few other issues you brought up.  In my marriage my ex wife never abused me.  Her trying to hit me twice does not necessarily constitute abuse on her part or severe psychological issues.  Alternatively, I never abused her either.  Me defending myself and disciplining her also does not constitute abuse.  I will agree with L that she does have anger issues, but most of that could likely be tracked back to her feminist upbringing and her unrealistic expectations of marriageWhen I didn’t respond to her threats in the manner of how she was taught I would, she was became confused and angry because her upbringing and current belief system didn’t equip her with the tools on how to be a good wife in a successful marriage.  My personal toolbox was also lacking.  Other than during sex once in a while I never spanked her although I should have many times.  That is my failing for catering to her feminine imperative and my acting as an AFC.  Had I lead her properly we would still be together, because contrary to what people like the commentator says, women can be taught, as men can be taught.  They are taught every day, what matters is who is leading and teaching them.  Spanking is nothing but a tool to use when teaching a woman to behave in a positive way.  Lastly my ex wife’s beliefs, attitudes and actions were all atypical of virtually every American woman.  You statement in your closing sentence that the hypothesis that women are attracted to assholes has been thoroughly debunked is wholly incorrect when the exact opposite has been not only proven by several studies but also by the man on street who meets quality women and yet rejects the notion of being the nice guy.  Asking some women what their opinion is does not disprove a hypothesis.  Next time please link sources and research materials when forwarding a theory.

Recommended additional reading:

Nice Guys – The Rational Male (multi)

People are People – The Rational Male

Nice Guys – Heartiste (multi)

Chicks Despise Niceguys – Heartiste

Niceguys Lose… Again – Heartiste

Girl Admits She Loathes Niceguy “Boyfriend” – Heartiste

Defining White Knights and Mangina’s – Society of Phineas

White Knighting Explained – Heartiste

 

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I wrote most of this as a companion to The Women in Church essay, but a comment on J4M prompted me to include his comment in this essay and thus my response to it as an example of the typical man you would meet in church.

Church Man writes:

I stopped reading alt-right and christian game (an oxymoron) sites last year. The hypocrisy and lunacy was too much to digest. I call myself a church man on purpose, since that crowd is so anti-churcianity as they call it. Supposedly they are the “real Christians” and the rest of us who go to church and actually enjoy it are fakers and dupes or chumps.

I took a gander at Grey’s blog and its the same ol’ crap. A fornicator deigns to lecture men about “church sluts”. And those men lap it up like the dogs they are.

The only people with a right to critique the church are those who are IN IT and trying to make a difference. Not those who have left it to lead wanton lives and yet deign to lecture those of us who have stayed and are living straight.

I am glad Church Man stopped by.  However it seems he read the title of ONE post, got his panties in a knot and stormed off to randomly criticize me on a article that was talking about something else entirely instead of leaving his remarks at the end of my essay.  I think he should have read more of my essays.  He did this in an effort to discredit me personally instead of addressing the issues in the j4G article or my particular comments. This is the classic behavior of the white knights and mangina’s I speak about below.  Many of these men are probably married to the older church women I wrote about in my previous essay on the Types of Women in Church.  When you point out how these mens’s behavior is perpetuating some of these problems they take it as a personal attack and act out emotionally, just like women really.  He ambiguously uses shaming language against me and the entire sphere because he is somehow more moral than any of us, or he thinks of himself as so.  Maybe this is because he chooses to attend church were some of do not.  I personally think that Dalrock and Rollo are quite moral and probably more moral than most of the men who actually go to church including my criticizer.  I will also speculate their marriages are happier and more fulfilling for both spouses than most church men.  I will admit I am a bit more amoral than what I used to be in regards to having sex out of wedlock.  I am also pragmatic, but I digress.

He goes on to state that no one is allowed to criticize the church if they no longer attend.  This smacks of someone who is so entrenched into the feminine-primary mindset that they cannot see past their own misandry.  He must go to the non-typical church were the virgin women are marrying the good virgin and non virgins men regardless of their beta mindsets and none of the church girls have 463 point lists of qualities their perfect man must possess.  His church also takes divorce and female promiscuity so seriously that women are excommunicated for frivolously divorcing their husbands.  The sluts in his church (yes they are there) have forsworn their promiscuous ways and thus many have relegated themselves to a life of celibacy and singleness because they know that they are far to damaged to be a good wife who is able to bond to the beta men who she would meet in church.  These men like Church Man, when (not if) they find themselves victims of hypergamy and the feminine imperative will either resign themselves to a lifetime of loneliness and bitterness or they will be the first ones lurking on Roosh or Heartiste in order to learn the skills and mindset necessary on order to meet and keep his new love interests.

Continuing the original essay, we see from the example above that these men do exist in large numbers and the comments just lends credibility to what follows.   As for the older or married men in church, I have NEVER met a red pill alpha, or any alpha for that matter.  Even the combat vets, who I consider brothers, are still white knights mangina’s when it comes to women and the feminine imperativeEverything they say about marriage and relationships is usually dead wrong.  Many of these men are led by their wives and their children, although they will be the first to tell you how much of a leader they are in their families.  If you criticize or call out the bad advice they commonly give about intergender relations you are thoroughly chastised and shamed.  They will never debate or talk about these issues in an adult and intellectual manner.  Normally they tell you that their interpretations are the only ones that matter, call you immoral and rush off in a huff.  I really cannot totally respect a man for behaving like that.  These same men continuously tell the unmarried and younger men they must marry.  All you have to do is attend any modern church and you will hear the cry from the pulpit and the other male attendees for younger or unmarried men to Man Up (and marry those sluts) and woe unto the man who has sex with one of the precious single princesses who attend church.

Other men you will meet are the young men who were brought up in church and are hoping to find that “one special snowflake” to marry.  They saved themselves, in most cases from lack of opportunity mind you, and are hoping to find the vestal virgin of their dreams.  The problem though is that these men dry up the vajayjay’s of the pretty little church girls who with their lists, only get hot and tingly for the alpha bad boys they would only meet outside of church.  Some do get lucky and their personalities and potential win out, AFBB.   For these men they might end up with a good woman with a healthy (but previously restrained) sex drive that can now be released in all of its naughty fury.  Woe to the man who ends up marrying the 30 year old virgin spinster who had very few choices to begin with or the fake Christian woman who has already worked up a notch count in the double digits.  I hope most of these men at least have enough sense to ask his love interests some very basic questions. It’s unfortunate that for many of these young men who ascribe to contemporary Christian dating advice (bullshit really) the only women who will actually settle for them are themselves settling.  They wouldn’t have to settle so much if they learned game and upped their alpha quotient some.  But these men can rest assured that although she probably wasn’t your first choice, neither were you her first choice.

It’s important to remember that most Christian women have thoroughly adopted the Fireproof world view of how marriage should work and of course if you are not a weeping slub like the (supposed) hero of Courageous, well your just less of a man.  Of course the men who act like this are the ones who end up being cuckolded and possibly forced to raise another man’s child.  Most Christian women also have no problem blowing up their marriages for whatever frivolous reasons, such as her husband looking at porn or he no longer makes her haaapy.  When Christian leaders exalt praise on single motherhood, then you know for sure the church has big big problems.  The older men in church encourage the women to act like this because they refuse to hold women accountable to that higher standard.  They also refuse to teach the unpopular masculine messages in the Bible.  Lastly they deify their wives which of course contradict every teaching of the bible and ends up leading the man to idolatry.  When there is a problem in a couple’s marriage, the following excerpt gives a perfect example of the men=bad, women=good meme.

“When my wife left me for frivolous reasons I approached the head pastor of her church in order to get some help reigning in her rebellion.  All he told me was that it is a woman’s right to divorce and that I am abusive because I told her (my wife) we were going to go to a different church because I did not like the teachings of the one she was attending, which was the church this guy led.  He actually had the gall to tell me that I should be listening to her and coming to his church.  Suffice it to say that we never did reconcile our marriage and are now divorced”.

Too many Christian men and believe that marrying Christian woman will shield them from the reality of divorce.  Unfortunately that is simply not true.  Christian men would be much better of marrying a secular non believer.  If anything the sex will probably be better.  By marrying a secular woman  you can feel confident that at least she will not be having the trad-con version of feminism pumped into her brain twice a week.  It is a sad state of affairs when a non believing woman is preferred to a professing Christian none.

I blame the men in church for not biblically leading their women.  I feel sorry for the young men who grew up in church and have never been exposed to proper thinking about what works with women.

Christianity has become extremely feminized over the last 20 years or so and I would say that the women a man would meet in church are worse marriage material than the women he would normally meet in the secular world.  Churched women have an unrealistically high sense of entitlement that would be difficult for any man to satisfy, Christian or not.   And of course as a man you will receive a constant barrage of “Man Up” and “men bad- women good” messages, with some twisted scriptures thrown in for an illusion of credibility.  As for me, I have an evangelical protestant background from when I started attending church on my own in my early 20’s but I was not brought up in any church.   The following are mostly from my own personal observations.  I no longer attend Church nor will I ever again.

You have 3 types of women in church:

  1. The actual virgins are looking for the perfect husband and are often so deluded with lists so long that only Christ himself would qualify as good enough to pop her holy cherry. Many of the young women in this group seem to turn their virginity into a type of idolatry.  It seems that God turns out to be the biggest cock block for those men with enough guts to approach these girls.  I say guts because with these young women it will be like traversing a battlefield with the prize of her pure untouched punanni on the other side.  You will just have to hope and pray (and trust her word, lol) that she wasn’t giving up anal sex and blowjobs in an effort to save her pussy for marriage so she could “technically” still be a virgin.  Of course the average churched young man would need to have every qualification on her 463 bullet point list and need to put a ring on her finger before you can get into her panties.  Just remember that these same women have been promised in all of her church groups, in the sermons she heard and from the elders women that their virginity is so valuable and the sex will be so good in marriage that these women on that faithful night will expect nothing less than the planets aligning, the seas parting and little birds singing as they sit on the windowsill.  Unfortunately it is unlikely that she will even reach orgasm that first night and if her new husband is also a virgin they will have quite a bit of a learning curve to deal with.  The worse things these women could do is marry a man who is a virgin himself.  I think it would be best if these young women married men who were considerably older and more experienced than them as was the norm for most of human civilization.  Only an older experienced man has the hand to deal with these entitlement princesses.  Her virginity would only be partial payment for the work he would have to do with her.  However no modern church would ever condone such a thing.  Some of these women will never learn to settle for a real man when compared to the imaginary prince she envisions, and will end up the 30 year old spinster virgin who has lost whatever looks she had and her fertility window.  Many of these women have an unrealistic vision in their heads of what they think they deserve because God said that they are the princess’s to the His Kingdom.  It’s sad to think of all of the good men they ended up disregarding out of hand because of these expectations.  This woman will still need to be gamed hard by her husband because her entitlement monkey will be strong in her.

 

  1. Now we have the born again sluts who rode the carousel hard and are so screwed up biologically, mentally and emotionally that any man who dates (or God forbid, marry) them is in for a world of hurt, torment and self doubt. (Yes, I have seen this many times). I will say this in case you didn’t figure it out from the previous sentence; NO RINGS FOR SLUTS! Period.  The singles ministries are full of them.  They can fake being good girls but an observant man can pick out these women.  You can always go to the Sunday morning nightclub and score with these women where they outnumber the men significantly, but do not marry them.  These women have low impulse control regardless of their new found faith and only the strongest of alpha’s will be able to hold her down (at least temporarily) in what would likely only end up only being a semi monogamous relationship.  For any guy with Game trying to score with these women they are perfect pickings.  Just don’t marry them.  I have even seen men in church have a harem of these types of women in the same church, although this is very rare because most churches will kick such a guy out quickly.  Another thing with these women is that the church will never hold them accountable.

 

  1. Then you have the old housewives who although may stay at home, home school and all of that, you can tell just by meeting them briefly that they are overbearing harpies and all of their husbands are incurable beta chumps who behind the masks of the “yes dears” are utterly miserable. These women will support women’s preferred type of sexual promiscuity, serial monogamy.  They will make sure that men are adequately shamed for such infraction such as dating much younger women and those who do not tow the modern trad-con line.   It is these women that either directly work with church leaders to drive out good alpha Christian men or create the environment where good alpha men will not come to church.  These women will often try to make sure certain rules are followed in order to give other Christian women moral cover for their bad decisions and lack of discretion.  These same women are the ones raising and teaching these younger women in the church how to get what they think they are entitled too.  It is bad that they refuse to follow and heed God’s words in the matter.

 

The modern church will also ruin a good woman.  Yes, those women do exist in very small numbers.  In all good conscience I would never take my daughters or any woman I am in a relationship with to any modern church.  Now good churches do exist, but they are few and far between.  The good ones won’t have rock bands or child ministries or any of that “new” stuff.  The best type of worship services are held in someone’s living room.  But because the pastors of these churches are usually still beta white knights and total mangina’s I am still given pause.  Either way these good women will be negatively influenced by their Christian sisters and that is never a good thing.  In reality Christian women are not looking for a Christian man to marry so they can be a good wife to him and mother to his children, no, they are looking for a man to worship them like she worships herself.

 

See Also:

Reframing Christian marriage

Reframing Christian marriage part 2: rebelling wives aren’t to blame for their own rebellion.

Reframing Christian marriage part 3: husbands as helpmeets.

Reframing Christian marriage part 4: judging the performance.

Reframing Christian marriage part 5: sex as a weapon.

The Typical Christian Woman’s List

How many times have we seen our friends move in with a woman or have their girlfriends move in with them and then later the relationship always fails and your friend is worse off than if he had not lived with his girlfriend?  I see this all of the time.

But it gets worse for men who live with their girlfriends.  Now we have some interesting data that living with a woman is worse for your health than living alone.

Married men were more likely than cohabiting men and other not-married men to have had a health care visit in the past 12 months.

Figure 1. Percentage of men aged 18–64 with at least one health care visit in past 12 months, by marital status: United States, 2011–2012

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Regardless of age, married men were more likely than cohabiting men and other not-married men to have had a health care visit in the past 12 months.

Men aged 45–64 (79.6%) were more likely than men aged 18–44 (64.1%) to have had a health care visit in the past 12 months. However, the association of marriage and cohabitation with men’s use of health care was generally consistent regardless of age. Among both age groups, men who were married were more likely than cohabiting men and other not-married men to have had a health care visit within the past year. Cohabiting men were less likely than other not-married men to have had a health care visit within the past year (Figure 2).

Figure 2. Percentage of men aged 18–64 who had at least one health care visit in past 12 months, by age and marital status: United States, 2011–2012

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Married men were more likely than cohabiting men and other not-married men to have received recommended clinical preventive services in the past 12 months.

The U.S. Preventive Services Task Force recommends that, on a regular basis, all adults have their blood pressure checked, men aged 35 and over have their blood cholesterol checked, and adults with hypertension be screened for type 2 diabetes (3). Marriage and cohabitation were both related to men’s receipt of these clinical preventive services. Among men for whom the service was recommended, receipt of each service was more likely for those who were married than for those who were cohabitating or not married. Cholesterol and diabetes screenings were less likely for cohabiting men than for other not-married men (Figure 4).

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Summary

Married men were more likely than not-married men to have had a health care visit within the past 12 months. This association was observed for both younger and older men, but only among men with health insurance. When men have the means to access health care, spouses may play a role in their use of health care by directly encouraging men to seek preventive care and by indirectly evoking in men a sense of economic and social obligation to the family (1,2).

The results suggest that cohabiting partners do not play a similar health-promoting role. Compared with both married men and other not-married men, cohabiting men were less likely to have had a health care visit. They were also less likely to have had selected clinical preventive services in the past 12 months, including blood pressure checks and screenings for elevated cholesterol and diabetes. In fact, cohabiting men are a group particularly at risk of not receiving clinical preventive services recommended by the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force. Only about one-half of men in this group for whom cholesterol and diabetes screenings are recommended had received these screenings in the past 12 months.

Summary and charts from the CDC:

So what does all of this tell us?  Married men are usually encouraged by their wives to take better care of themselves and go to the doctor for preventative health care services.  Single men living alone are less likely to go to the doctors but still they seek out preventative medicine in substantial numbers.  For men who cohabitate with a woman they are the least likely to go to the doctors for preventative medicine and they take care of themselves the least.  It seems that they are less healthy overall than both married and single men living alone.

Looking at this as a social dynamic, I speculate that the women these men live with care much less about them than a wife would.  Living with a woman is so much different than living with your wife (who you did not live with previous to marriage) for a variety of reason.  There is a subconscious dynamic that although it initially may be hard to see, it is there.  Not only will you be less healthy but you will be less happy overall.  There is never a good reason to live with a girlfriend.  Just ask yourself what are the benefits that you cannot get living alone, with male roommates, or even just marrying her?  Will she appreciate you more?  Will you have more and better sex?  Will your girlfriend whom you agreed to live with love you more?

I think the worst thing a man could do is live with a woman and then marry her.  The dynamics involved will almost certainly assure that not only will the marriage ultimately fail but the marriages that do in fact succeed (in relative terms) the man will be more miserable overall.  In these situations such as this the man becomes preconditioned by the faulty premise of the previous cohabitation dynamic.  Thus the merging of the different dynamics from cohabitation to then marriage is such that most men are powerless to navigate the minefield of a woman’s hypergamy and solipsism.  Maybe she really loves you and wants to always be around you.  That is fine, but remember, the anxiety she may feel when you two are not together is the same emotion that helps keeps her attracted to you.  When you agreeing to live with her you take away that anxiety and you lose your power and most importantly room to maneuver and you might die sooner.

Iron Rule of Tomassi #4
NEVER under any circumstance live with a woman you aren’t married to or are not planning to marry in within 6 months.

Sexless Marriage Series #2

The Spreadsheet Couple who received so much notoriety as of late as shown some very disturbing trends in how a large portion of American men and women think about sex, especially sex in marriage.

One issue as Dalrock recently brought up is the vagina’s power that women often then misuse with most men.  I agree that the nets reactions was based on the sudden loss of the wife’s V-power and all women’s sudden worry that their men would wake up and realize how tenuous their own power plays really were.  Go read Dalrock’s article and come back.

I will however disagree with Dalrock’s observations that women were only half hearted in their support of the wife.  The articles were essentially all the same, essentially telling us that this guy creates a spreadsheet because his wife didn’t want to have sex and that although she should have used better excuses, no man, and especially this lame ass, should ever expect sex from his wife or any women.  What I read was pretty much all female and most male writers supported the wife directly.

Another issue is the very disturbing trend that I have seen reading the comments on the various articles.   This trend is one of male entitlement to sex, specifically as it relates to the sexual dynamics within a marriage.  Feminist have been telling women that their body is theirs to do with as they please regardless of consequences or context.  At first this was directed towards abortion and the feminist’s belief that only women have a right to decide whether to kill their babies or not.  Of course the fathers feeling in the matter are irrelevant.  However, this same attitude spilled over into the sexual arena.  Now we read stories such as this where a wife consistently denies sex to her husband and he is then compelled to document her refusals and reasons in a spreadsheet.  Instead of working on her marriage WITH her husband, she runs off and posts the spreadsheet and her brief story in the net hoping to garner the support of her sisters.  We then see women and their male supporters come out of the woodwork in droves supporting this woman using the same logic that a woman has an absolute right and even an obligation to refuse sex to her husband anytime she does not feel like it.  The modern woman and mangina really do believe that a woman should NEVER put out if she did not immediate desire sex and that sex should ONLY occur if she wants it.  Of course a lot of blame was laid at the husband’s feet because he approached his wife everyday for sex.  Apparently men are not supposed to do that either.

Now we all know, or should know, that you don’t “ask” a woman for sex, you initiate sex with her.  Oh, I can hear those feminists yelling rape already. Speaking of which, the feminists and manginas often state that anytime any man, husbands included, cajoles, pesters or negotiates for sex it is rape when the woman finally gives it up so her man will shut up about it.  Although I find having to pester any woman for sex unacceptable and I would never do that, I do not think such a thing is rape.  I need to write about what rape is and what it is not.  I know that essay will piss a lot of people off.

So what are a woman’s rights and obligations in regards to her husbands or boyfriends sexual desires and needs?  As I stated before, MEN NEED SEX.  I am not talking about duty sex which is lame and is usually less satisfying than looking at porn and jerking off, I am talking about good mutually enthusiastic and satisfying sex.  Without regular quality sex men will normally drift away from his spouse emotionally.  In time he may want nothing to do with her.  This happened to me. My now ex wife always maintained the belief that men are not owed sex and we ended up drifting far apart, so much so that I had zero desire to even try to reconcile with her after she left.  Needless to say our sex life was lame, I looked at porn, she pulled a Jenny Erickson and left.  On the other hand an ex girlfriend of mine not only told me she believed her job was to keep me utterly satisfied, our sex life was such that I had no thoughts of looking at porn and we even adopted the practice that every orgasm we each had would be with the other person.  No more going solo.  She didn’t care if I looked at porn, but we both wanted to share ourselves with each other all of the time.  Simply put, she derived satisfaction by tending to my needs and I derived satisfaction tending to her.  Yes there were times I didn’t want to have sex but because I cared for her I did it willingly and enthusiastically and I’m sure there were times she didn’t want to have sex also.  Ok maybe not, but she still would have had sex anyways.  Another thing to mention is that by cuming inside her pretty much every time I think the bond between us was greatly increased.  Also, regular sex keeps our man parts in good working order and we do feel discomfort and even pain if we have to go too long.  Either way men’s bodies are designed to have sex and ejaculate very regularly.

As Dalrock puts it:

A wife who almost never wants to have sex with her husband is a terrible wife.  As with a slut, only a foolish man would (knowingly) fall in love with a frigid woman.  However, unlike the slut she isn’t even desirable.  A frigid wife is powerless, undesirable, and (romantically) unlovable.  This recognition is what so horrified women around the world when the spreadsheet went viral.

We know that some women will refuse sex often, even when she wants it in order to leverage the power of her pussy.  However this is not the way God or nature intended things to work.  Reading Dalrock’s statement above we see that a frigid wife is a bad wife, a woman not even deserving of our love.  He is right.  Even the ones who “claim” they do cook, clean, etc. unless they are tending to her husband’s sexual needs she is still a bad wife.  You can hire out most of a wife’s other duties, but sex should not be one of them.  Sex is the only bio-chemical bonding a couple will experience.  I have yet to meet or hear about a sexless couple that is happy with two normal adults.  Although no woman seems to understand her own body as well as she should, that is fine because the amateur gynecologist is here.  Reading the comments from Scarymommy’s article it is easy to deduce that sex reinforces the bond between a loving monogamous couple such as a husband and wife.  You will read many of the wives report that they feel so much closer to their husbands with the more sex they have with them.  Without getting into the science, let me say that the science backs this up.  I just made a Walsism, oops.  Anyways, I will save the scientific details for another essay I am working on because it’s that important and it’s interesting.

A wife owes her husband sex.  Even in other committed and monogamous relationship sex is owed to the other partner.  We explored the health benefits and the benefits to the relationship.  Let’s now look at another issue the feminist will certainly scream about.  Us men we work hard for ourselves and our families.  Oftentimes we sacrifice our happiness by not doing things we would rather do or work a job we would enjoy more but the pay would be much less.  Also when we get married we EXPECT that there will be regular and enthusiastic sex with our wives as much as reasonably possible.  For the promise of our commitment, which men honor way more than the modern women does, we want sex, which is also part of the promise and commitment on the part of the woman.  What we do not want is to be the second man eating off of the same plate, which all too often happens.  Married women and women in committed monogamous relations have a responsibility to have a genuine desire, and to actually have sex with their men.  She owes it to him for his commitment to her and in exchange for his work.  If she no longer is sexually attracted to him then she should end the marriage and refuse to take any of his assets when she leaves.  In other words a woman might have to fake it, yes I know, but if she truly loves him her negotiated desire will likely change to the genuine desire which is so important in any couples relationship.  When a woman marries or otherwise commits to a man she loses her right to continually say no.  If she has a medical condition that makes sex difficult she needs to address it immediately.

One thing about control and feminism as it pertains to this instant issue.  Feminism and by extension pretty much all American women desire to control men’s sexuality.  They will use their frigidity, or refusals to have sex, their anti-porn stance, and of course the all too common tactic of using sex as currency.  All of this boils down to not just women attempting to control men’s sexuality but women controlling the whole man.  If you have a woman like this it’s simply better to leave.  It will suck at first but in the end a man will be better off.  I have noticed that many frigid women and women who use sex as power have deep emotional issues and unresolved baggage in their lives.  All you have to do is talk to a feminist pansexual woman for only a few moments to smell the psychosis.  One study pegged over 20% of American women fall into this category.  Unfortunately these same women can behave themselves long enough to snare an unwitting man into a relationship with them.  As I said before the man should just leave her.  If for whatever personal or financial reasons a man decides to stay, he will have to game the shit out of her hard and be at the peak of his own emotional strength.

His name is Robert Lindsay.  Yesterday I posted an essay about his criticism of Game and his personal attacks on various writers in the sphere.  I commented on the essay he wrote pertaining to the same subject.  I thought we had a good back and forth going on at first as I was thinking he just did not get some of the basic premises of Game theory and so forth.  However after reading more about him I see that he is suffering from severe cognitive dissonance and probably some sort of narcissistic disorder because he thinks everything in the world should be fair and men shouldn’t have to change or be engaging in order to succeed with women all the while attempting to learn Game himself.  It’s weird actually.  I guess he wants to still be able to be a dweeb and score with hot chicks.  It was no surprise that I found out he is a radical liberal and a Communist.  Like all liberals he lives in a fantasy land and he is a hypocrite because anyone who disagrees with him is an asshole then banning them if they have a “hostile tone”.  I have to LOL this one.

Anyways, throughout his blog in almost every article he bans someone and anyone he disagrees with.  I suppose I should have not been surprised that he banned me for disagreeing with him and then calling me an asshole.  I truly wanted to help him because looking at his picture and reading his articles; he needs all the help he can get.  But like it has always been stated, some men you just can’t help.

Below are my comments to him and his responses.  There is value in that it may help those trying to overcome their misunderstanding or objections to Game. Or we can just have a quick laugh at the weird guy’s expense.  Whatever dude.

 

Robert Lindsay

August 5, 2014 at 4:41 AM

To me, a 10 is simply a woman in the Top 10% of attractiveness. That’s all there is to it, real simple.

Game isn’t futile. But the notion that all men can be Alphas is insanity, and this what the whole lunatic PUAshpere is all about. It’s madness.

Nevertheless, I think most guys would do better to learn some of the principles of Game and to try to be more Alpha. The more you learn Game and the more Alpha you act, I think the more success you are going to have with women.

That whole PUAsphere is absolutely repulsive. I don’t even see how you guys can read any of that shit. SMFH.

Also, how come 100% of Game and PUA sites are run by reactionaries?! Why do all Game and PUA sites have be part of some shit called the Alt Right (the modern reactionary movement). Game is simply the truth. Why don’t progressive men need to learn this stuff too? I mean the truth is that many of us Left guys have always known a lot of this stuff, and personally I have been practicing a lot of this Game stuff for 35 years now, but still, it is sickening that the only websites we can go to to talk about how to get girls are run by reactionary shits and misogynist fucks. Sickening.

 

monkeywerks

August 5, 2014 at 10:47 PM

Really dude?  The common sites promoting game promote nothing more than positive masculinity and self improvement in one flavor or another. Maybe it’s that that you really have a problem with? Improving one’s self often leads to more attention from women. Its cause and effect. For the moralist they can choose the best women to date, have sex with, marry, etc. For amoral men they may choose to bang as many of these women as they can.

The biggest issue I see that you have is that you seem to think that these writers think much less of men who would be considered “beta” or “lesser alphas”. Now I can see why it’s funny to make fun of men who are “omegas” and such. (I use these terms loosely of course). The omegas seem to want to keep their head in the sand and deny the existence of many of our current problems by just wishing they did not exist. Many of these same men will choose to criticize Game in all of its formats instead of spending their time improving themselves or going out and actually meeting women.


Anyways back to my point. Roissy, Vox, Deti, and all of the others seem to have a genuine interest in helping the betas and even the omegas improve themselves and improve their success with women. I have been an avid reader of many sites in the sphere for quite some time and very rarely if ever do I see the vitriol you expressly state exists.

Although I have always had pretty good experiences meeting women I do not consider myself a womanizer or great alpha by any means. However I still met many a HB8 and above and married a woman who objectively was considered a HB9. She is tall, blue with long blonde hair and has a high IQ. Unfortunately it was my BETA mindset and her feminist ideology that led to the failure of the marriage. Not that I’m sorry about it because it’s what I learned from these sites that helped me to realize what a catch I am and helped me to be even more successful at meeting new higher quality women.

As for the other issues you bring up, I will say that your take is very debatable and conflict with my own personal observations and experiences. Even my wife had to prove herself to me when we first started dating because I was dating several other women at the same time. She didn’t like it of course but I think that it increased her attraction to me. That’s the way it works in reality it seems.

Robert Lindsay

August 6, 2014 at 12:01 AM

Trust me, I have no truck with masculinity of self-improvement and trust me, Game sites go far beyond that.

You want to give me a reason why all PUA sites are swarming with the most horrible misogyny? You want to give me a fucking reason why I have to be a Godddamn reactionary to sharpen my pickup skills? You want to give me a reason why most Game sites not only hate women but also hate men who don’t make much money (See the Libertarianism) and people who aren’t White (notice that at this point most of the PUA idiots are White nationsists if not overt fucking Nazis). You want to give me a reason why most of these PUA tools are insanely narcissistic if not sociopathic? You want to give me a reason why all PUA advocate treating women like shit? You want to point out these PUA sites that don’t advocate being a promiscuous player Alpha and instead teach you how to settle down with your wife? You want to name me one fuckin site like that?

Ok, now you see my beefs.

You may not believe this but I read these sites myself, and of course I practice Game myself. If you knew about my life, you would realize that I was already practicing “Game” in the late 1970’s in my teens (all of us were – we had to be). A lot of this is stuff you already know or have been doing anyway. There is some new stuff there and I have been taking notes from all of these Game sites all the time. I agree that they have a lot of cruel and awful truths to tell, and I agree that your life tends to go better with Game.

Now you see that I am part of the Loyal Opposition maybe you will calm down.

I am very happy you used Game to have a happier and more productive relationship with your current girl and with the ones who came before. I myself am using Game to improve my relationships. My beef is not with Game per se but with some of the subaspects of it and mostly with the fucktards who peddle it.

You seem to be implying that most men would do better if they tried to be more “Alpha” in their behaviors, no matter how the Alpha – Beta – Omega scorecard plays out when the whistle blows. I agree. Alphas, Betas and Omegas can probably all improve their lives with women by employing variations of Game.

As you can see, we are actually on the same page here.

monkeywerks

August 6, 2014 at 1:18 AM

Angry much? For one Dalrock promotes relationship game within a Christian context while also promoting a more moral execution of game theory. He does not advocate male promiscuity. I would love to emulate his marriage. Rollo Tomassi is another who speaks a lot about gender dynamics while leaving out politics and most personal experiences. That is 2 sites instead of just 1 like you asked for.
As for your accusation of misogyny well I think your opinion is quite subjective because your premise is faulty. How about we talk about misandry?
The blacks have their own sites. Furthermore blacks and whites approach mating and gender dynamics differently. Learn about black’s intergender dynamics pre and post Reconstruction Acts then report back. Your findings will surprise you. Also, there is no rule saying I have to write my essays in such a way as to encourage readers from other races. That’s just pure PC bullshit. Otherwise none of these sites are fundamentally racists. Point to a specific example of blatant racism, if you can.


As for your issue of Game being reactionary. We all react to outside forces. When there is a bad storm coming I close the windows to my house. Game is a reaction to feminism (of all flavors) and the harmful effects it created and the harmful ideologies it inspired in women and to mangina type men. You come out strongly saying that the men who successfully use game in their mating strategies are sociopathic, well considering that the newspeak for otherwise normal behaviors is now considered bad I’m not surprised you make that accusation. It’s wrong though to the extent that the behaviors are developed and controlled. Most powerful and successful men have some or many of these so called traits. Its natural human behaviors in a certain subset of our population. You do not have to like the fact for the fact to be true.


Poverty is a state of mind. I actually currently broke, but I’m not poor. I have made money and I have struggled financially as I’m currently doing so now. My current situation does not affect my ability to meet high quality women to any great degree. When I have more money, sure its easier but that’s just common sense. More money makes you more attractive to women. However for those of us with less we have to compensate with our awesome personality.

Simply, game works. Men without game don’t get laid, at least not very often and usually not with quality women. Love it or hate it, that’s just the way it is.

You have obviously invested heavily in your opinions and your subsequent hate of all things Game related even though you use it. Some of my most important advisers I do not like personally. However that does not change the validity of their info or knowledge. I see value for what it is, where it is.
I think it’s intellectually dishonest of you to criticize Game and its advocates while practicing the techniques it promotes. If not for those men we would not have learned what we have and our lives would be less rich for it. You should be grateful they spend the time they do to write and compile the information they put out, sometimes at a personal expense.


As the old saying goes, love the player, hate the game.


I see you trying to couple your liberal ideology with game theory and it various flavors. I see that this may be creating a sort of dissonance in you. Us smart guys sometimes have a problem with this. However your resistance to things is a normal symptom of taking the red pill and in time it will pass. It’s a hard thing to reevaluate ones belief system and find out that there oh so many pretty lies.
There is more I can write but I’m tired. One last thought. I have read many of the comments to your articles and what I see is a lot of men who refuse to accept the truth and the reality about how the world works and thus probably do not succeed to any great degree with women. Life’s not fair and it certainly as hell aint equal.

 

Robert Lindsay

August 6, 2014 at 2:40 AM

Look I am banning you. Your presence here suffices to prove to me that almost all of you Game characters are assholes. You are also violating the Comments Rules. Hostile tone.

HAND!